Doctoring the Truth
Welcome to Doctoring the Truth, a podcast where two dedicated audiologists dissect the world of healthcare gone rogue. Explore jaw-dropping stories of medical malfeasance, nefariousness, and shocking breaches of trust. The episodes provide deep dives that latch onto your curiosity and conscience. It's a podcast for truth-seekers craving true crime, clinical insights, and a dash of humor.
Doctoring the Truth
Ep 20-A Self-Taught YouTube Doctor and Sociopath in a Trashy Trailer: Rick Van Thiel
What happens when desperation meets deception in the shadowy world of underground medicine? Meet Rick Van Thiel, a convicted felon with no medical training who operated an "alternative clinic" from a filthy trailer in Las Vegas, performing procedures he learned from YouTube videos—often while completely naked.
This episode serves as a powerful reminder about the vital importance of medical licensing, regulation, and accessible healthcare. If you've ever been tempted by miracle cures or alternative treatments that seem too good to be true, this cautionary tale might make you think twice. Share your thoughts with us on social media @doctoringthetruthpodcast—have you encountered medical fraud or suspicious practitioners?
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Amanda Jenna Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2:Oh you know, thriving first day of summer break.
Speaker 1:So this is what it looks like to be on summer vacation. I'm so jealous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you, I'm glowing already. Hello friends, yes, it's my first day of summer break and I'm not even gonna say how many, nearly how many decades it's been since I've had one of those. Um, but day one doing pretty fine, pretty happy about it, pretty doesn't feel real yet really oh, I bet, yeah, um well, I'm happy for you I would like to live vicariously.
Speaker 1:I slogged it out at work today and, um, I will say that when I left work. Can I tell a quick little?
Speaker 2:story yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:I was kind of like oh, it's Monday, all this equipment broke down, all these things to do, oh man, the week is going to be so busy. And then, as I'm walking across the lobby, there's this poor grandma. She's, she's chasing this toddler, he's like three or something and he's waving this picture book around. It has like animals on it and he starts screaming at the top of his lungs I want to see the titt. I want to see the titties. I want to see the titties.
Speaker 3:The titties. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 1:It was so funny, it was so cute, so I left with a smile on my dial and that's what matters. I love that.
Speaker 2:I love that. Thank you, child, for putting a smile on our girl's face.
Speaker 1:I was like wow, wow, they're starting them young.
Speaker 2:Wow, how do you know about that friend yike? Oh man, um toddlers, yeah, for real, they're so fun. They are fun, though, but wow, some of them are headstrong. Eh, busy, yep, uh.
Speaker 1:Correction section yeah, um, I I can tell who's a dedicated listener by by those people who, um, have reached out to me to let me know that, yes, there's a long at the end of the last episode, 19,. A long bit of silence followed by a little recap of our chart note. Well, my chart note redo. So I will say just enjoy that little Easter egg. It's there because last week was the first time I had actually attempted to patch in a recording after the fact, and if you have a listen, you'll see why and you're welcome it was hilarious.
Speaker 2:She had told me I have a surprise for you in the next episode, if you want to listen early, like it's posted on our thing and I was like, oh my gosh, what could that possibly be? But I didn't know. My girl was sitting here, it savvy pageant and audio. So when I heard it I was like oh my gosh, that's so funny so funny.
Speaker 1:Oh, it needed to happen. If ever it needed to happen in an episode that was, I can't believe you were so kind and you didn't tell me like, okay, that's enough already about fluoride and water, but I learned a lot. Anyway, somehow there's a phantom bit of recording at the end. When I went back to the raw recording I couldn't find it anywhere. So it's it's there to haunt all of us. Enjoy, like I said, but that's your question.
Speaker 2:So thank you to all the dedicated listeners that were like wait, where's the rock music at the end? The only other thing I wanted to touch on before we started is this probably happens a lot in our recordings, but I specifically noticed when I was listening to episode 19, the last one. I specifically noticed when I was listening to episode 19, the last one, that I was saying a lot of like Midwest verbiage or like Minnesota verbiage, and I just did it when you were like, can I share a little story quick? And I said yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't know what I said, but I was like, oh okay, this ties into my Minnesota thing. So if you're from the Midwest, you will understand the guide that I'm going to give, but if you are not from here, here is a guide of how to speak Midwestern, because some of the things that we say are honestly kind of ridiculous, but we grew up with it and it's the way it is and we can't stop.
Speaker 2:We, absolutely I can tell you, we can't stop. So it's more of a guide of how to speak the ya-no-ya's and the no-ya-no's. So number one no-ya means yes, ya-no means no, like definitely not. Ya-no-ya means maybe means maybe, um, yeah. No for sure means definitely, yeah, no, wait, yeah, no, yeah, okay, wait, I have this on here twice, but this one I wrote yeah, no, yeah is is like. I'm sorry. Unfortunately the answer is still yes. So I guess that one has a dual meaning.
Speaker 3:Oh, great yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, yeah, and then I threw in a couple extra that are not a ya knows, but whelp. So this word is used a lot by Midwesterners and it can either be identified as an exclamation point to whatever's happening, like whelp, or a short way of saying I guess that's just how it goes. And number eight, oh, um, this, I'm not sure we can really call this a word, but so, like, picture this we're in a grocery store aisle and, like you, accidentally bump into someone else shopping and you go, oh, and that just it's like a shorthanded apology oh my gosh, I love this so much.
Speaker 1:Why did no one teach me this when I first moved here? I don't know. I think I've picked this up without even realizing that I was doing it, I think. I do this too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm Felina Snowden. Yeah, no, yeah, no, because I'm not sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh, what I said earlier, that I said yeah, no for sure. That means, of course, absolutely. So basically, just hang in there with us because it's something we can't stop. But there's a little guide. Hope that's helpful. And so then, before we dive in, we have another new sponsor. This is not something I've personally tried, but I have a lot of friends who have tried um cbd infused seltzers. So we have a company called shimmerwood beverages that you can find at shimmerwoodcom. That's s-h-i-m-m-e-r-w-o-o-d. Shimmerwood. So they craft CBD-infused seltzers using full-spectrum CBD for a calming, non-intoxicating effect. Twice named the number one CBD drink by Forbes. These refreshing seltzers combine main-sourced fruit cocktail bitters and clean ingredients so no added sugars, caffeine or artificial flavors ingredients so no added sugars, caffeine or artificial flavors, available in bold colors like ras, lime, chai, cherry, ginger, orange and just hemp. I can't imagine what that must taste like, but it must be good for the heart that sounds yeah, pretty intense for me.
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Speaker 1:we mark this as exclusive, exclusive, explicit. It's Explicit, it's exclusive. You guys are all, y'all are exclusively invited, but it's also explicit material. So you know there are going to be some things that are shocking, otherwise we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I just remembered it Rape Got it, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, like I said, a doozy Right, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like I said, a doozy right, um, but like with all these trigger warnings, nothing is like like in-depth details or anything. Just know that it's a part of the story and so if that's triggering for you to even hear about anything to do with that, we'll see you at episode 21, but don't forget to miss the second sponsor at the end. Okay, so, anyway, here. Anyway, here we go. In Las Vegas, Nevada, a city known for bright lights, big winds and endless distractions, one young man was waging a deeply personal, quiet war. His name was Randy Valenzuela and he was never one to blend in. The oldest of five children, he stood out not just because he was handsome, headstrong and endlessly energetic, but because he refused to live small. He came out in high school long before. It was easy to do. Which quick sidebar, happy pride month, everybody. He was bold. He was bold and brave, always dancing, always laughing. He frequently joked that he was original, not extra crispy. That was Randy, unapologetically himself.
Speaker 2:But in 2005, at just 25 years old, Randy received a diagnosis that stopped time HIV. He was floored, and so was his family, but he made it very clear from day one he was going to fight or die. Trying, Randy threw himself into research. He read, he asked questions. He refused to accept the idea that this was a death sentence. His family supported him even when the treatments began to take a toll, because the truth is, living with HIV isn't just about the virus. It's about the medication, the side effects and the psychological warfare it wages on the mind.
Speaker 2:Gabrielle Brannon, Chelsea, met Randy in 2011 when they quickly became close friends. She learned early on that HIV wasn't just something that Randy had. It was something that he was actively at war with. She watched him pour hours into researching, always looking for new therapies, new studies, any possibility of a cure. In 2012, seven years after his initial diagnosis, he became even more sick. He lost over 200 T-cells in one month, leaving him at 199. As we know, because we've covered AIDS and HIV a lot, anything lower than 200 T-cells is a qualifier for having AIDS, and this became Randy's new diagnosis. Aids develops when the HIV virus has caused serious damage to the immune system. We also know that there is no cure.
Speaker 2:Patients with AIDS receive antiretroviral therapy, ART, which is a combination of two or more medications that attack the virus and is commonly referred to as a cocktail. It has proven successful in reducing the amount of virus present in the body, allowing the immune system to recover. With the right treatment, people with AIDS can live very long lives. However, the same drugs that are saving their lives often cause severe side effects like nausea and depression. Patients can find these side effects to be unbearable. Patients can find these side effects to be unbearable.
Speaker 2:Randy was prescribed this very cocktail of medications. The virus was not detectable when he was on the pills, but they made him very, very sick. He said that the pills were messing with him mentally and he told his mother that he felt like he was going psychotic and that he was afraid of losing his mind. Then, one day, he found something. He went to Gabrielle excited, full of energy and hope. He discovered a treatment online called ozone therapy, paired with pulsed electromagnetic field therapy. The claims were bold the treatment would detoxify the blood, destroy viruses and restore the immune system.
Speaker 2:Randy believed that he had found the answer, that this would cure him. Gabrielle, on the other hand, was skeptical. There wasn't much science behind it and it seemed as though it had very little regulation. She couldn't find that there were any other licensed providers providing this treatment. But Randy was desperate, and desperation doesn't always wait for peer-reviewed journals, and he established care immediately for the treatment. His mom began to notice that he was starting to look healthy again. His skin was brighter, his eyes were clearer. She saw that spark in him again and when she told him so, he said I am so glad that you noticed and shared that he had been seeing a man called Dr Rick, a man that was not a name from any clinic or specialist list, no formal office address, no credentials posted anywhere online. Randy explained that Dr Rick was an underground doctor that he found on Craigslist what I know. Oh wow. Rick had guaranteed that he could cure Randy not manage, but cure. His treatment protocol was daily sessions for eight weeks and it was $130 a session. Excited, he invited his mom to attend one of the treatment sessions that night.
Speaker 2:Randy's mom was up all night researching ozone treatment, as any mother would. She was skeptical. If there was a treatment that would cure it, why wasn't everyone using it? She found articles praising ozone therapy for detoxing the body. Websites suggested that everybody should get a treatment at least once a year to rid the body of toxins. She found nothing alarming, no red flags. She thought, wow, maybe Randy really did find a cure and the next day she would join him. The whole way to the appointment, Randy kept reminding his mother to keep an open mind. The address led to a rundown camper trailer parked in the backyard of a compound. When they knocked on the door, a naked man answered. What?
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm trying to keep quiet what.
Speaker 2:Nikki pants. Oh, actually lack of pants, nikki. Inside the place was filthy, garbage, clutter shit everywhere.
Speaker 1:Not literal, but so all the toxins that he's ridding from his patients are going into his trailer. Yeah, dude, what's going on?
Speaker 2:Is this the practitioner? There were no signs of a medical practice, but Randy wasn't fazed. He introduced his mom to this man, to Rick, and Rick explained ozone therapy to his mom, with total confidence in the treatment Naked mind you. He said that it would clean Randy's blood, re-oxygenate it and then pump it back into the body. He said it would clean Randy's blood, re-oxygenate it and then pump it back into the body. He claimed that the treatment would purify him, rid him of the virus entirely. His mom watched as Rick, with no gloves, inserted a needle into Randy's arm and blood went everywhere.
Speaker 2:Rick didn't even flinch. He said I'm not scared of the virus.
Speaker 1:I can cure it who?
Speaker 2:said that Rick, rick, because he would blood squirt whenever he's like I'm not scared, whatever, I'll just cure myself if I get it. In addition to the ozone treatment, rick had another idea. He told Randy to stop taking his cocktail of medications. He said he didn't need them anyhow. Now, now that he had ozone therapy and Randy listened, he believed in him. He thought Rick was a genius and truly thought that he could cure AIDS.
Speaker 2:Rick went as far as to write a letter to Randy's doctor to advise him that he no longer needed treatment from a traditional doctor and that he was now under his care. And the letter read. The letter read, and there is a grammatical error in here. But y'all, I didn't write this letter, I'm just reading it. Okay, this letter is to inform you that Randy Valenzuela is being treated for HIV at this time in a private clinic under private contract. The expected time need to complete the treatment process is about two weeks. Feel free to call or email me at help at itsonlynaturalme if you have any questions. This communication is confidential and for Randy and your eyes only. Uh, okay, red flag.
Speaker 1:Eek, oh, I can't.
Speaker 2:It just only gets worse gets worse, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is shades of gary, null right this is yeah, no bueno, no bueno.
Speaker 2:The ozone treatment seemed like they were working. His skin really was glowing, he was happier. He looked and felt better. He then took a home HIV test and the results were negative. What? He and his family were ecstatic. However, home test kits were not highly accurate. They could produce a false, negative one in every 12 tests. But for Randy and his family it was the result they had been praying for.
Speaker 2:Two years later everything changed again. Randy contracted HIV again. He was devastated, ashamed. He had been cured and now he was sick again. His mom picked up the phone and called Rick, who said oh, that poor kid, bring him on in. And so they did. But something was different now. There was no treatment schedule, no structure. Rick didn't ask Randy to follow any sort of regimen. It was more of a come when you can vibe. It was very casual, more sporadic, and Randy, unfortunately, wasn't getting any better. Soon after he started the treatment again, he got a cough that he just couldn't shake. Started the treatment, again, he got a cough that he just couldn't shake. He knew something was wrong and he asked Rick why isn't this working? Rick brushed it off, telling him not to worry. He promised he'd see a change soon, but Randy unfortunately would never see that change. He continued to get worse. He could feel it. Eventually he wanted to forego all treatment. He was giving up and he died two weeks later.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:Two days after his death, his mom called Rick to let him know and Rick simply said oh okay, thanks for letting me know, and hung up. What? No empathy, no shock, no sorry, just click. Oh, which? This seems to be a common theme amongst these pukes that we cover, does it not? Yes, it does. It's disgusting. Unfortunately, Randy put his faith in a cure that wasn't real. What he was given was a therapy known as major autohemotherapy, a form of ozone treatment where blood is drawn from the body, mixed with ozone gas and then re-injected. In theory, it saturates the blood with oxygen and cleanses it of viruses and bacteria. Some, like Dr Rick Van Thiel, claimed it could treat everything from cancer to chronic pain to HIV, but in practice there are no approved medical uses for ozone therapy in the treatment of HIV or AIDS. Not a single health organization in the United States recommends it. In fact, the FDA explicitly warns against it. But Rick didn't believe in the FDA. In fact, he didn't believe in government authority. Rick was a sovereign citizen.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that explains it.
Speaker 2:Sovereign citizens are part of an anti-government extremist movement whose members do not recognize US laws. Rick had a violent criminal history with multiple felony convictions in California and Nevada, including incidents involving firearms and assault causing major bodily harm.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know right, he wasn't just practicing unorthodox medicine, he was a convicted felon, a repeat offender, an absolute threat. And now we're going to try something new because, as I was telling Jenna, there is no picture I can paint to fully encapsulate this guy, so I'm going to play a video recording. All these videos of him are still on YouTube and I've posted in the show notes um my resources, but um, here's a little clip to give you a little idea about our little sovereign friend, um Mr Rick Van Thiel.
Speaker 3:Demand a plan. I've got a plan. I've got a really good plan for you. Stick to the fucking Second Amendment. What the fuck do you think this is all about? You're sitting here crying in all your videos because, oh, I lost somebody so big deal, because, oh, I lost somebody so big deal. I'm not saying that, even if you're telling the truth and you lost somebody that got shot or whatever, sorry about that, but you ain't going to blame the fucking firearm, blame the motherfucker that shot him. Now, god, I don't even know where the fuck to start. You guys are so wrong. You're as wrong as two boys, fucking Son. I don't mean to offend you homosexuals, but the problem is you, you gotta. Here's my plan.
Speaker 3:The Second Amendment says the people have the right to keep and bear arms. This right shall not be infringed. Okay, we all know that. You can fucking read Now the Gun Control Act back in the 30s that took away the assault rifles. You've got the Gun Control Act of 68 that says that crazies and felons can't have one. And you've got the Brady Bill and felons can't have one. And you've got the brady bill and you got a whole bunch of this shit, all kinds of what you call laws and acts regulations.
Speaker 3:Oh god, let me start on the fucking atf that write their own regulations and then to treat them as if they're fucking laws. They're not laws, neither are your stupid acts. But the point is is that the second amendment says this right shall not be infringed. It gives no list of acceptable infringements not a single one. So here's what you got to do, and don't go blaming ron paul, because I sound crazy. By the way, I'm just pissed off at you motherfuckers trying to take my firearms rights, because every time you take the firearms rights away from any country, what goes next? Mass murder. It's everywhere you got registration confiscation, mass murder. Get it through your fucking head.
Speaker 2:So see how I couldn't really do justice on painting that picture for you wow, this is supposedly a doctor. Oh yeah, trying to help people right and I don't know if you picked up on all the chickens in the background, could you? You hear them Just clucking away?
Speaker 1:I mean, I thought I could hear some some. Yeah, it sounded like he was in a barn, but he certainly was raised in a barn.
Speaker 2:With that mouth I've been to third world countries for like mission trips and things and like guys. That's what it sounds like. Like what? What kind of compound are you living on, friend, and you're treating people what?
Speaker 1:yeah, and, by the way, we're trying to ban assault weapons not all guns and take away people's rights to own guns. Come on now and you're talking about mass murders. Mass murders are already happening in schools. Yeah anyway, um, anyway, I know this was a political trip, but wow, what a mouth on him. And he's so angry and ugly. How would anyone find him healing? Yeah?
Speaker 2:But before we dive any more into Dr Rick Van Thiel, we best visit our chart note segment. So, without further ado, welcome to the chart note segment, where we learn about what's happening in medicine and healthcare.
Speaker 1:I forgot to sing it first, let's sing it now, hey um, I just hope that I know we're getting hey, ellie cats, I hope you joined in with that one. I hope this is more interesting than mine from last week is all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2:It's gotta be well, mine starts with like a kind of a sorry but not a sorry. It's like okay, sorry, we're going back to dentistry. We have a theme, I swear to god, it's's like HIV and dentistry lately. But, um, but no, this is really cool. And, um, my husband is into like reading, research and stuff all the time. He's always learning things. So I had asked him like hey, have you learned anything new and cool recently that I can use for a chart note? And he was like well, by, I did. So let me share with you. Researchers led by Dr Katsu Takahashi at Osaka's Kitano Hospital has developed a neutralizing antibody that targets and blocks a protein called USAG1, which naturally halts tooth formation. By inhibiting the USAG1, the treatment reviews Nope, nope. The treatment revives dormant dental buds, enabling a third set of teeth baby teeth and adult teeth beyond baby teeth and adult teeth to grow.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, so we don't need dentures anymore. We could grow. Oh my gosh, that's wonderful.
Speaker 2:So we actually have three. Right, we can hopefully grow teeth. Um, yes, so I was like holy cats. I didn't know. We had buds beyond, like your baby teeth, and you get your adult teeth and then there's buds. And I recently had not recently cause whatever, but um, a patient, so it's not a while ago, but this little kiddo had what what we were told was two sets of adult teeth, like a second set of adult teeth were coming in. So I wonder if, like this person's body just didn't have this certain protein to like, stop the buds anyway. So this occurs both in mice and in ferrets, where extra teeth emerge naturally in the mouth. Human dental development normally stops after two sets of teeth, but these findings suggest latent third set buds can be activated.
Speaker 1:This drug harnesses that hidden capability for therapeutic use, so they're I wonder if kids will find out and utilize this for extra tooth fairy cash.
Speaker 2:Yes, because does that mean, when you they're like watch this, they're giving away by the time they're doing this. They're like oh, my parents are giving out Hundies. I gotta get these buds activated.
Speaker 1:Hundies, that's right. Oh my gosh. So like, when you get one activated, do you lose the other one?
Speaker 2:I think so Well, okay, so as of right now, with these clinical trials, and we'll get into it, but they're not trying to like just activate them if you have all your teeth. If you don't have, your teeth is when they yeah Right?
Speaker 1:No, I know it's being stupid, but yeah.
Speaker 2:But I'm also like how do they target one too? I don't know, we can talk about it at the end, but so there has been preclinical success in 2018 experiments and that's the year 2018, not 2018 experiments. Mice genetically predisposed. Sorry, I just lost my ability to read you guys. They were predisposed predisposed to have few teeth, too few teeth.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm gonna restart this thing not enough teeth people not enough not two teeth happening I lost all my neurotransmitters.
Speaker 2:To be fair, this is hard um and I like feel like a little lispy right now and I like I feel I don't know and all these words are so like.
Speaker 1:I think it was my story about the little kid who wanted to see the titty text. It was really activated this lisp within me.
Speaker 2:Um okay, mice genetically predisposed to have too few teeth Were administered the antibody leading to the development of additional teeth. They also did trials on ferrets. Because they have a more human-like dental model, the ferrets developed extra third generation front teeth after the treatment. These findings were published in Science's Advances in February of 2021 and generated significant global interest. So we are currently or they are not, we are in phase one of human clinical trials, so that's being performed on adults right now. So it was initially announced for July 2024 for a start date later confirmed, to begin on a broader scale in September of 24 at Kyoto University Hospital this is in Japan, by the way with the trial expected to run through August of this year, 2025. This phase involves IV injection in 30 healthy adults ages 30 to 64 who are already missing at least one molar. If the antibody induces growth, new teeth would emerge in unfilled spaces. Phase two will be targeted to children. If no serious adverse effects emerge, the study will expand sometime in 2025 and go through 2026 to include children aged up until age 27 with congenital tooth agenesis or oligodontia, which is missing four to six teeth or more.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I just clicked bad buttons on my document. Okay, it's still there. I got worried. I lost my whole Google Doc.
Speaker 3:Paper bag. Oh hey, can you share my?
Speaker 2:thing with me. Again, I lost it, yeah. So applications and benefits. Congenital oligodontia affects 0.1 to 1% of the population. Again, these are individuals born with fewer teeth, leading to difficulty in eating, speaking and facial development. If successful, this drug would offer a natural alternative to dentures or implants, essentially adding a third option for people. Preliminary goals aim for regulatory approval by 2030. Long-term potential may include regrowing teeth in adults who've lost them due to tooth decay, periodontal disease or injuries. So expert opinions and caveats out there include some experts caution that animal results may not fully predict human outcomes, especially regarding tooth position, shape and functional integration. Ongoing questions include will regenerated teeth match natural enamel? Will they integrate into the jaw, stay aligned and avoid unintended growth? My question while reading this was, like a lot of times, if people's teeth are falling out or periodontal disease or whatever I'm not in dentistry, I don't know all the terms, but like the bone has worn down so much, you know there's so much bone loss.
Speaker 2:So I'm like, how does that affect? But maybe they would not be then a candidate for this. They would have to do a traditional implant if there wasn't a phone for an implant and or denture plate, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, I've lost a lot of teeth due to grinding. Oh, I crack my teeth from. Yeah, so teeth due to grinding oh, I crack my teeth from. Yeah, so, um, I'm gonna hold out because I'll tell you what implants. Not cheap, no, and it's never like a day that you wake up and go. You know what I feel like, dropping 20 grand, 10 grand on a couple teeth, like I've unfortunately managed to eat just as much, if not more. Uh, without a bunch of teeth in the back. But, yeah, this is exciting. I know I was really excited. This is giving me hope.
Speaker 2:So sorry, we went back to the dentistry y'all. But I was like, oh my gosh, that's super cool. I didn't know there were even a third set of possibilities in there.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, the body's so amazing, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:I know right, and I sent this to my friend who is in dentistry and I was like, oh my gosh, did you know this? And she, of course, had heard of it. And I was like I wish my brain like worked like a researcher brain, where it's like, oh my gosh, this is a possibility, let's test it Like can you even imagine?
Speaker 1:Wow, I think you're listen, amanda. I think your brain does work like a research brain. You're just. You know as much as we're talking about teeth, maybe. Maybe you're into teeth more than you realized. But um, I'm not switching careers at this point. I remember your brain coming up with similar hypotheses and things when it came to ears and balance. So, uh, give yourself some credit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you okay, back to the story. Sorry, I had to get that giggle out really quick okay, what are you thinking about?
Speaker 1:ears, and it makes you laugh base in your tube, that's a a little Easter egg for those of you to see if you've listened to all of our episodes.
Speaker 2:You know, sometimes you just gotta get the giggles out. Two months after Randy's death, authorities received a tip. The Nevada Department of Health and Human Services notified the city of Las Vegas that unlicensed medical procedures were being performed out of a trailer. The report mentioned ozone therapy.
Speaker 1:Is that a thing it mentions? You can say I thought they were going to say unlicensed medical procedures were being performed, period. But they're like, but they're being performed out of a trailer. That's just, that's just insulting, Like. Come on, we need to at least make it look good, it needs to be like.
Speaker 2:This is a strip ball underlined, underlined, underlined, underlined. Get there now, I think, sorry. Um. So the report mentioned ozone therapy, it mentioned abortions. It claimed biohazardous material was being thrown in the regular trash oh no. And it mentioned a name that authorities recognized immediately Rick Van Thiel. And did you catch that? I said unlicensed, that's right, because Rick did not even have a medical license.
Speaker 1:Oh, what a surprise, what a shock.
Speaker 2:Shocker. In this area of Nevada, individuals associated with the Sovereign Citizen Movement had been flagged as domestic terror threats, and Rick matched the profile perfectly, as I'm sure you could glean from the clip you heard before the chart note segment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't get warm fuzzies from that audio segment.
Speaker 2:All cold pricklies. For sure, rick was a convicted felon with a background that included burglary, pornography and even inventing sex toys. And yes, despite his checkered past, people like Randy and many others put their trust and their lives in his hands. Rick taught himself to perform both minor and major surgical procedures by watching YouTube videos.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:YouTube. Oh, he genuinely believed he possessed the same knowledge and skills as a licensed physician, embracing the anti-government ideology common to sovereign citizens. He proudly stated that he had studied medicine independently for 28 years and saw no need for a government-issued license to practice.
Speaker 1:Listen, he advertised. I can't help, I can't, I can't bite my tongue. Listen. He learned on YouTube, but YouTube hasn't been around for 28 years, has it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you guys heard any of the years that I've been talking about in this thing, this is recent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's not. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. So he advertised his services on internet sex sites and Craigslist, deliberately targeting low-income individuals with promises of cheap alternative care. The treatments he offered were wide-ranging and often dangerous, including unproven therapies for HIV and cancer via ozone therapy, tooth extractions, cyst removal, root canals, circumcisions, castrations and abortions for only $200. Wow, what a deal. Yeah, it's like I don't know how much that costs, but anyway I'm like, okay, no, I'm not even going to go there. Yeah, it's like I don't know how much that costs, but anyway, I'm like, okay, no, I'm not even going to go there. Okay, one of his websites, rick wrote and this is quote y'all this is on his website we do natural remedy research for the purpose of increasing quality and span of life, one human being at a time. It continued to say, unlike the American medical industry's toxic drug dealing doctors, we don't see you as your disease. Okay.
Speaker 2:Rick was outspoken in his rejection of modern medicine, openly denouncing the licensing of physicians, vaccines, the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, gmos and all government regulation of healthcare. He promoted himself as a self-taught physician and insisted the government had no authority to regulate prostitution or medical practice, arguing that both were strictly between consenting adults. His website claimed that he offered these treatments at unbeatable prices and accepted payment in Bitcoin, gold, silver, sexual favors and even firearms. Because why not? Prior to becoming a professional doctor, I was a sex machine inventor, swinger, bdsm master, porn actor and producer for 14 years, so I've seen it all. Rick wrote. He made it clear that dr rick was just a nickname, not intended.
Speaker 1:I can't be quiet. I'm supposed to be quiet, I can't. What the hell are we talking about? My God, okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'll try. Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2:He's such a douchebag.
Speaker 1:Where did you?
Speaker 2:find this guy.
Speaker 1:I know the internet. Surely this is not true. The dark?
Speaker 2:web.
Speaker 1:Oh my god.
Speaker 2:And there were real victims. So I don't mean to laugh. But I'm just like this guy is wildly insane, I know it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1:I can't Okay, carry on.
Speaker 2:I know. So we just got to get this last paragraph. It's probably the last of the giggles, okay. So he made it clear that Dr Rick was just a nickname, not intended to infer state sanction or Rockefeller drug-pushing training. The website stated that its purpose was not to seek FDA approval or diagnose disease but, quote to help you make informed decisions necessary to take control of your own life and health and now to care for it in the manner you decide is best for you. End quote.
Speaker 2:So investigators confirmed the scary reality that rick wasn't just drawing blood and injecting it back in. No, no, he was performing minor procedures such as removing cysts and caution, there are videos of him doing this online, you guys, oh, no, um, doing injections and more serious surgeries. He did all of this without gloves, without antiseptics, drapes or sterile instruments and without any safety protocols. It was a threat to the community, and he was that. He was performing medical procedures. At no point in his life did he hold a medical license. Authorities also knew that he was involved in the porn industry. He had escalated from participating in the porn industry to practicing medicine in the nude, all while calling himself a doctor.
Speaker 1:Why not combine your two favorite hobbies right?
Speaker 2:He's like you know what? I'm pretty good at this, but I'm ready to explore another avenue.
Speaker 1:Oh well, this guy's not real. Come on, how did this, how was this allowed to happen?
Speaker 2:And like this was not that long ago, I'm literally crying. Okay, authorities learned that he had been talking about performing heart surgery. Are you kidding me about performing heart surgery? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:And let me just emphasize again that he was doing all this in a filthy camper in someone's backyard, naked. Oh man, you can't. If this was a movie, I would say they've gone too far. There's no way this is real.
Speaker 2:yes, right, right, right right. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh yeah, no, for sure, yeah, for sure yeah, no, yeah yeah, no, for sure. Um, okay, so I have just one more clip to play, you guys, um oh goody can't wait. I know. So this is of a woman interviewing him and, yeah, just about how he's going to work naked whatever, here we go, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:We're here today with Rick, who is going to perform a sack removal. So, rick, are you a surgeon?
Speaker 3:No, but I played one once in a movie for.
Speaker 1:TaylorMadeClipscom. Taylormadeclipscom.
Speaker 3:You had to get your plug in there, didn't you Of?
Speaker 1:course. So is this your first sack removal.
Speaker 3:Yep, this is the first one, are you?
Speaker 1:excited.
Speaker 3:I think it should be fun.
Speaker 1:And where did you learn to remove a sack?
Speaker 3:On YouTube, of course, God. It's amazing what you can do. Yeah, you'd be amazed what you can learn on YouTube. You could get an education off of YouTube.
Speaker 1:Now I notice that you are dressed.
Speaker 3:Well, this time I'm not going to be. Last time I got about oh 200, at least 200 comments in two months. Just off of that. It was hot in the summer and I wasn't wearing a shirt. So I decided this time because everybody just liked to comment so much on the shirt that I'm not only going to do it without a shirt, but I'm going to do it without pants either. Woohoo.
Speaker 1:Get naked. Oh no, this can't be real.
Speaker 3:He just can't make it up.
Speaker 1:I'm horrified I'm. All of the things, oh my god. No, what the fuck.
Speaker 2:This is absolutely why these clips are necessary, you guys.
Speaker 1:This is a human, oh my god.
Speaker 2:Oh my god Okay. Amanda, I don't know, oh my god okay amanda, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. This world, I think, would have been complete without somebody like this. Like what? The hell it takes all kinds you're gonna go april fools and I'll be like, well, it's me, haha, but at least this guy doesn't truly exist. Oh no, he does. Oh wait, but he does Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I just need to take a little sip of refreshment. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Can I just clarify? Does she say, does she say I can't? Does she say sack removal like like castration, like like like a, like you take your dog to get himself, so you tell our dogs getting tutored.
Speaker 2:So actually right after that clip where she's all Yoo-hoo, take it off, oh God.
Speaker 1:Then she was horrified and ran for the hills and she's scarred for life. She needed to bleach her mind's eye to get the picture of this man out of her head, oh and like you guys, this guy is no, she was excited we're going to have to post pictures of him on our Instagram and our Facebook.
Speaker 2:You guys, I'm telling you, this guy is like not Patrick Dempsey. Okay, it is not exciting.
Speaker 1:So after she's all, oh you, you, Rick, pick it up. It's like the worst decision of my life. Help, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Then he starts performing what I think is a cyst in someone's back. Oh, I thought she said sack. So I think they just don't. No, she did. I think they just have zero medical training.
Speaker 1:So they don't know she did. I think they just have zero medical training, so they don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna take whatever looks like it's saying I I had my husband watch that video with me and, mind you, he has worked in the emergency department, you guys, and he was like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:he just literally takes a scalpel to this guy's back and the guy is like I'm so sorry to whoever that is and I'm laughing, but like what did you expect in the shitty trailer?
Speaker 2:but oh man I know, oh man, okay, wow, hope you guys are still with us. I'm so sorry, okay, okay, all right. All right, we're almost there, you guys. I'm so sorry, okay, okay, all right, we're almost there, you guys. Puppies no.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think of something sad, okay, uh what?
Speaker 2:happened. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Puppies, puppies. I'm like wait. No, puppies are sad. God, take that out. I'll edit that.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what this is about to get. Oh yeah, okay, whatever, let's get back into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah. I just want listeners to know we're not laughing at the plight of people who were no who were deceived by him and mistreated by him. It's just yeah, the ridiculousness of who?
Speaker 2:he is. He is wildly crazy. Okay, so authorities needed to get a search warrant for the camper where the procedures and treatments were performed. The property of that trailer was on that of another known sovereign citizen and the property was under surveillance and armed. Of course, it was a fortress of paranoia. Law enforcement knew that serving a warrant on this property wouldn't be easy or safe, and it was likely that deadly force would be used. These weren't just con men. They were people who fundamentally believed that the government had no right to stop them. Authorities would be the number one target to be harmed, but they knew that they needed to stop Rick, as he was a danger to the public and the only way to stop him was to go. Hmm, hmm, it was like the movie Saw, one investigator recalled.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:The filth was overwhelming. Dirt, rotting food, patient files and medical tools were strewn everywhere. The clinic quote unquote, if we can even call it that had no equipment for sterilization, only a stained examination table sat in the middle of the trailer, surrounded by pure chaos.
Speaker 2:Examination table sat in the middle of the trailer, surrounded by pure chaos, terry Kearns, an FBI agent and former nurse of over a decade, was stunned. There was no logic, no safety, no hygiene, she said. And yet there in that trailer, rick Van Thiel was performing abortions, lancing cysts, running blood through machines that they would come to learn he never even cleaned, and injecting patients with ozone therapy all under the illusion of healing and I don't think I talk about it in this, but yes to the not cleaning. Like people with AIDS, hiv were going there having this ozone therapy. Maybe the next person came in with cancer, had the same ozone therapy. So it's like like everyone's blood's running through this machine.
Speaker 1:No good.
Speaker 2:The search warrant yielded many records, numerous computers, hard drives and media storage. Documents seized from the trailer contained paperwork for 108 patients. Among the written records, they found that he had administered injections of blood thinner of the blood thinner heparin to two people, had treated at least 23 people medically and had written agreements to treat 83 others. They also seized a vial of black market steroids a total of 10 vials of blood thinner heparin IV bags containing something that looked like blood, and various medical equipment.
Speaker 2:Rick was arrested one week later, on October 7, 2015. Well, thank God, as the story made headlines, former patients began coming forward and it quickly became clear that the raid had only scratched the surface. Detectives combed through the records recovered from the trailer, trying to identify patients and determine what the procedures had been performed and whether any of them were illegal. Many of his patients were transient or economically unstable, making them difficult to locate. Most had turned to Rick because they had no other options. He offered the cheapest services available, including abortions you guys, oh no Services available, targeting young, uninsured women who believed they were making a safe if desperate choice.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:In court, Judge Jude Ann Zimmerman made a chilling comparison, stating that Rick posed more of a danger to the community than a serial rapist or murderer. Yeah, he preys upon people who cannot access health care, she said before setting his bail at $1 million.
Speaker 1:Yay.
Speaker 2:Yes. When Rick challenged her calling her remarks on him being a danger to the community, he said that's speculation. She made it very clear that the courts would decide that at trial. Detectives soon discovered that the patient consent paperwork Rick used included non-disclosure agreements Interesting legal decision for someone practicing medicine illegally. Rick described agreements with people he treats as private contracts over which the government and courts would have no jurisdiction. That aside, practicing without a license in Nevada carries only a one to five year sentence. Investigators knew that they needed something stronger, so they began looking for evidence that Rick's actions had caused either serious bodily harm or death, and three patients stood out to them. Two were terminally ill before ever encountering Rick, which made it impossible to tie their deaths directly to the treatments. But a third case, however, had potential A man named Randy Valenzuela.
Speaker 1:Randy yeah.
Speaker 2:Detective Kidd visited Randy's mother to ask her about her son's care under Rick. She explained that he convinced Randy to stop taking his prescribed medications and instead undergo Rick's ozone therapy. She mentioned that Rick had even written that letter to Randy's doctor stating he no longer needed the conventional treatment. Ozone therapy is an alternative practice so far outside medical norms that it would constitute malpractice, even if done by licensed physicians. Investigators believe that encouraging randy to abandon anti-retroviral therapy may have directly contributed to his death. So they requested to see his autopsy. But the autopsy complicated matters. Randy's death was attributed to complications from aids and cardiomyopathy linked to methamphetamine use. His official cause of death was ruled accidental. The medical examiner couldn't say whether the heart attack killed him was triggered by drug use or the progression of the untreated HIV. That lack of uncertainty meant that prosecutors couldn't pursue a murder charge. For Randy's mom choosing not to put her son's personal life on trial was a relief. All it would do is make him look like a junkie. She said she knew that he was struggling towards the end and didn't judge him for any manner that he chose to get through all of the pain he was in. Meanwhile, rick's behavior behind bars revealed even more delusional, if that was even possible. In recorded phone calls from the jail, which you can find online I'm not going to play any more clips of this guy he portrayed himself as a martyr. I'm on trial for saving somebody's life, for curing cancer, he said. People come to me because I can do things regular MDs can't. He denied doing any wrongdoingdoing boldly and without shame. Even while in jail, rick continued to offer inmates medical advice and treatments, still clinging to the role of a healer. That's when investigators made their most disturbing discovery. Yet Interviews with female patients revealed that Rick often conducted procedures while completely nude. He offered sex in exchange for treatments and routinely performed vaginal and anal penetrations under the guise of medical necessity, without any lawful purpose. Multiple victims confirmed these allegations and prosecutors now had what they needed charges of sexual assault. Go get him. This time it would stick. Rick was charged with 29 counts, including unlawful practice of medicine, sexual assault, sexual assault resulting in substantial bodily harm, and child abuse and neglect, which the child abuse and neglect stemmed from procedures that he performed on minors while claiming to be a doctor. He was yeah. From procedures that he performed on minors while claiming to be a doctor. He was yeah.
Speaker 2:In April 2016, a grand jury was convened to move forward with the case, but unfortunately, justice would never come. Just before the trial, at 11 pm on a Friday night, corrections officers found Rick Van Thiel hanging in his cell. He had taken his own life. To some, his suicide was the final act of a coward, a man unwilling to face consequences or hear a jury declare his guilt. To his victims and their families, his death robbed them of a chance to confront him in court and see justice done. Still, one bitter truth remained he would never harm another person again. In the aftermath, the FDA formally banned the use of ozone therapy in medical settings. The ripple effect of Rick's deception and destruction had finally reached the regulatory level, but for many it came far too late. And that, my friends, my alley cats, is the story of Rick Van Thiel of rick van thiel.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, okay. Well, I found it hard, as everyone knows, to control myself throughout this story, so you know my thoughts on the matter. But oh, my goodness gracious me. I, like I said, you can't make this stuff up if, if this was a movie, people would say you've gone too far.
Speaker 1:It's not yeah exactly, but a character like this existed, someone who'd prey on the desperate and the vulnerable looking for medical, somehow a resolution to a medical mystery. And this is what gary null did. But at least gary wasn't opera, or isn't? He's still operating from the back of a trailer. I can't believe that he advertised on Craigslist. If you're on Craigslist, folks looking for a doctor, chances are you're not going to get quality or even someone who's actually a doctor. Narcissist much, I mean, that's what I I I'm reading my notes here I, you know, narcissists, as we know, have um, he was an actor and a producer, jenna, so he's a pretty big girl in vegas.
Speaker 1:They have delusions of grandeur. This guy thought he was curing things. He wasn't curing anything. He was, uh, as we know, um, just perpetuating uh, lies and deception, with no pretense of even trying to clean up the place. Come on, dude, the back of a trailer. Okay, if you have to have a trailer, can we at least clean it. I can at least pretend and use a set of gloves. Good lord he hasn't.
Speaker 1:Even he and like think all the chickens balking at you when you're walking up to the door I mean right, but I mean he had all the the uh pretenses of being a doctor but none of the accoutrement, can I?
Speaker 1:say um, one human being at a time was something that caught me. He's like oh well, you know, our research is one human being at a time, that's. That's not a parametric study. So from that you can't. You can't take one human being and then make an assumption. Okay, dude. So you're very like oh well, we can be trusted because we research one human being. Guess what, dude? We need millions of human beings, I mean at least thousands, but not one, to make an assumption.
Speaker 2:Have you ever read an actual study, my friend?
Speaker 1:Right Accepting payments in sexual favors. Nothing says depraved more than someone who's going to accept payment for medical care in sexual favors. This is a man who's not to be trusted. I'm crossing him off my list. And the fact that he tried to get out of the fact that he was masquerading as a medical practitioner by oh well, dr Rick is just a nickname. No, come on, dude, you're stupid.
Speaker 1:And the reason you used doctor is because you actually buy into the fact that they are people that we can trust that actually know something about health care. So you decided to masquerade as one. What are you know? The? The? What are they?
Speaker 1:Sovereign citizens, everything governmentally, uh, imposed upon medical practitioners that call themselves doctor. Why did you have to try and steal that good question? You know. So the very people that you're belittling, you've, you've pretended to be. So me thinks. Uh, that, and the fact that you're. I'm sorry if my doctor pitches up in the mud, unless it's McDreamy on ER, I'm going to say no, thank you, I think I'm in the wrong clinic. So, again, I cannot believe that this arse of a human being actually managed to exist in at least 108 patients that we know of. Yeah, and poor Randy was the first patient you talked about, who might have actually, yeah, survived had he continued to take his antiretroviral medication. He could have lived a long life. Um, so you know, I consider that negligent and horrific and unforgivable I mean, obviously he knew he wasn't gonna get away with.
Speaker 1:It is why he took the coward way out so he's a blight upon the planet that no longer will plague us. He says it. That's been popped upon the face of reality here. Bye bye, no, no, no remorse for that comment, adios. So thank you for that.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for joining in that adventure with me, and I'll just say sorry to you personally, because you're going to have to edit out a lot of coughs after our laughing attack.
Speaker 1:I might have to edit out some of the laughter. Happy editing. It's so incredulous. How could I not? You know it's you. You set me up for that. Yeah, you try and keep it. I was right there with you.
Speaker 2:I was right there with you.
Speaker 1:Trailer talking about how he's all that and a bag of chips, no thank you Well, you know he, he played a surgeon once on a video. I've starred in porn, so I have to do with various bits and pieces of the human anatomy.
Speaker 2:Okay. Whatever so anyway, moving on to a different body part, speaking of pieces of anatomy. Remember when I talked about how much it stinks to have uncomfortable sports bras?
Speaker 1:Yes, I do.
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Speaker 1:Thank you, handful. Should I do the medical mishap? I suppose you better. We got a medical mishap, I suppose you better. Okay, we got a medical mishap to lighten up the mood here. So this comes in from Amy and she said we can share her name. So, thank you, amy. Amy, and she says hello, jenna and Amanda. I wanted to start. Hi. I wanted to start by saying how much I absolutely love your podcast. Oh, bless you, thank you. We pay you to say that.
Speaker 2:She's on the payroll, not true?
Speaker 1:So don't get too excited. Listeners or Alleycats I'm definitely a fan, as you alluded to last week. Call me an Alleycat, alleycat, alleycat Meow. Amy Meow, definitely a fan, as you alluded to last week.
Speaker 2:Call me an alley cat oh wow, oh, my goodness okay, dial it back oh no, I liked it, keep going we're just on another planet I know, sorry guys, I'm on summer break you're on break, so what's your excuse?
Speaker 1:um, the way that you, she says, the way you shine a light on medical crimes, exploitation and the systems that fail to protect people matters. Oh, thank you. You're bringing attention to stories that don't don't always get told or that we've never heard about, and that is some powerful work, ladies. Your mix of empathy, research and let's be honest dark sense of humor make the podcast feel like listening to brilliant friends who actually get it. I look forward to wednesdays. That's such a great compliment.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Wow, we love that. We love to hear that. Anyway, enough long story long. I've got a story I wanted to share with you and I know that it's not super wild, but it's all I had in a good cautionary tale for those cooking in the kitchen. Yes, I had my husband's permission to share. Oh, this sounds familiar. Yeah, sorry, back to to the email. I just started laughing out loud, thinking how uneventful the story is compared to amanda's husband's story. Yeah, I mean it's that's a hard one to talk honestly that's, that's at the bar.
Speaker 1:But anyway, we appreciate you. Let's see what you got, okay? So she says my husband has always loved to cook. In fact, when we started dating, that would be our date nights. Oh, we'd pick out new recipes and make them together, which usually meant I would drink wine and cook for me I mean get it sis, hello, marry him yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what am I right? Uh, one night he decided to make a classic. His quote, famous end quote homemade nachos that we would take to a friend's party god, I love nachos chopped I love nachos too. The more loaded the better he. He chopped jalapenos like a pro. Hey, I think I know where this is going. He carried on in the kitchen like a true Gordon Ramsay. Now I'm sure you suspect, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:There it is.
Speaker 1:Read my mind Because she says now I'm sure you suspect where the story is going, so I will share that Kyle did wash his hands after slicing the peppers, but apparently not thoroughly.
Speaker 1:A short while later, kyle's stomach starts rumbling. Time for a quick trip to the bathroom. This is where things went south. Within seconds of zipping up, kyle starts screaming Because, yep, that poor guy he tried. Oh wait, because, yep, that leftover capsicum from the peppers had transferred to, well, the southern hemisphere. Oh no, oh, at least he tried everything Ice packs, milk, yogurt, soap, aloe vera but nothing helped. He was in pure jalapeno agony. He finally caved and we went to the ER. The ER doc gave him some topical lidocaine, I think. Either way, he was back to feeling better in no time. So, while this doesn't involve staples lol, amanda, I'm so sorry that happened to your husband, and every man cringes anytime we tell that story. Um, it's still a tale to warn to keep the cooking out of your pants.
Speaker 3:That's okay X.
Speaker 1:X stay suspicious Amy.
Speaker 2:Oh well, thank you for sharing that, Amy. I think probably anything involving the Southern Hemisphere is just no bueno all around, so sorry that happened to Kyle.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Oh boy. Well, you know, you know how I started this and I was like it's it. I don't actually remember if I just told you or if I told everyone that this is going to be a short one today, but turns out it wasn't because we laughed like alley cats out here. Um. So, jenna, what can we expect to hear next week?
Speaker 1:um, amanda, oh god, we're gonna hear a bit more about a dentist oh my god, dentistry I know I couldn't, I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 1:Um, I read an ann rule novel as a little teaser there, and, um, we're gonna talk about a dentist, but I also I'm gonna throw in a little. My chart note is gonna be a little about a little article that I've read that has something so gruesome and creepy you're not gonna believe it. So, um, yeah, a little bit of a little bit of everything a little bit of murder, a little bit of intrigue and a little bit of like. Yeah, a little bit of everything A little bit of murder, a little bit of intrigue and a little bit of like over, and probably a lot of oh boy. So that's what you can expect for next week.
Speaker 2:Yep, well, we will look forward to that, so. So until then, guys, don't miss a beat. Subscribe or following Doctoring the Truth wherever you enjoy your podcasts for stories that shock, intrigue and educate. Trust, after all, is a delicate thing. You can text us directly on our website at doctoringthetruth, at buzzsproutcom. Email us your own story ideas and comments at doctoringthetruth at gmail. Be sure to follow us on Instagram at doctoringthetruthpodcast, and on Facebook at doctoring the truth podcast, and on facebook at doctoring the truth. We're on tiktok at doctoring the truth and at odd pod. Don't forget to download, rate and review so we can be sure to bring you more content next week. Until then, until I say this, I actually want to give a quick shout out to, if she ever, ever, ever hears this uh, lady spine dog, yeah, oh my god, she liked my tiktok.
Speaker 2:Look her up on tiktok, betsy, grunge, y'all woman, neurosurgeon, badass woman she's amazing, go queen yeah, okay, so until then stay safe and stay suspicious. Goodbye.
